RR: John, I’ve had to learn how to forgive people who have hurt me. And in cases, I’ve had to go to them, the Lord has sent me to them to tell me to ask them to forgive me because I’ve been holding something against them for what they have done to me.
LR: And it’s a seed.
RR: God has released me in other areas of my life when I’ve done that. It hasn’t been easy. I remember one man who had said some terrible things about me on television. This was maybe ten, fifteen years ago … things that weren’t true. And I was deeply hurt and offended, and then I was bitter at him. And the Lord spoke to me and said, “Go to him and ask him for forgiveness.” And I said, “Why? I’ve done nothing.” He said, “You go ask first.” So I did. I asked him to forgive me for holding it against him. And there was a healing. He said, “Well, I found out what I said wasn’t true and I’m sorry.” And there was a healing between us. But it happened because I went to him. He was the one in the wrong, not me, yet God sent me to him to ask him to forgive me.
J: That’s amazing because that’s exactly what happened to me in the two deepest things that happened to me. God told me to go to both men both times and apologize for being critical and judgmental of them. And when I did, it opened it up and we came together. We reconciled together, one of whom, you know, the man continued in his ways. The other one, we are still like this today, and that was the deepest one.
And, by the way, Richard, the person that can hurt you the worst is the person that’s closest to you. We expect the world to do us wrong, but what about another minister? What about another believer? See, that’s what David said. It wasn’t an enemy that reproached me. Then I could bear it. David said, “I expect my enemies to hurt me.”
RR: The world would say you only hurt the one you love.
J: Yes, that’s what the world says, that’s right.
LR: You know, for us to be the body of Christ, if the hand starts pounding on the other hand, it has to hurt worse because everybody in the body gets hurt. You know, if an outsider comes and hits you in the hand, that’s one thing. But when your hand hits your other hand, you hurt all over.

